The underlying basis of this article. One of the flaws was the relationship between the DA and the children. In her case it seems to be more a matter of punishment. Mr. The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. Considering that the daughter she murdered will never get a second chance, it will never be long enough unless its for her entire life. If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome. Oh 1 more thing I see a lot of comments on pro Diane web sights that say well she drove them to the hospital. In a perfect world this would always be the case. They said she was going slow but the time at which she arrived seems to indicate otherwise. He had an attorney, Fred G. Campbell Jr., send us a letter denying our request and telling us: You are legally, as well as factually, a stranger to them. Who does he think he is? N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. And to try not to bash Dianes Downs character and stick to evidence instead. After arriving at the nearest hospital where the nursing staff and doctors attended to the children, the police were called in and her parents arrived promptly. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. You were not there and one thing I have learned about high profile cases, is that you cannot always believe what the media, biased detectives and Ann Rule have to say. In reply to Nick. Diane may very well be guilty, but YIKES this investigation and trial seemed so butchered and tilted in the prosecutions favour. Wow does he ever look different than how they portrayed him in the TV movie. The person who shot the kids was leaning inside the car because they were shot at close range. Diane Downs changed her story so many times, even at her parole hearing. Id have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. If he was getting too close to the witness emotionally he should have stepped away from the case. No. Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. By the way, this not a Diane Downs is innocent blog. It is a lets examine the facts of the case with hindsight and try to explain some of the inconsistencies and the role of the media and crime writers. And lets wonder why the US think that letting people die in prison is the answer when most civilized countries have reached other conclusions. Where is the blood spatter on Diane? The answers to those questions do not matter anymore. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. All of it is explained in the blog you didnt bother reading. Being bipolar, she had no impulse control so it should not have surprised anyone. Therefore, my understanding is that the original sentence is deemed indefinite with parole hearings every 10 years. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. Do you remember it would have been around say November 19th of 82 that you would have left Charlene at one time? I am not one sided. I think it would give the blog more integrity and transparency. Weve become friends. I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. Oh my. So either way, it would not be so far fetched that someone said he was the shooter.A little investigation would not hurt. There were good reasons to look at this mother, but the detective admitted on the stand that they stopped looking at anyone else after two weeks and the stranger on the road became a joke. But I will answer the points you raised about the blog. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. Im sorry but your article is tosh. (Appendix 81, page 1466). Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of truth and lie, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie. They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. is this a reason??? Not unlike Diane, Alice did not want to share her pain in public. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . View theaffidavits. Wrong. It seems that the Downs were totally ignored. So not addressing the content of the blog and rambling about everything else while asking for a disclaimer is nailing it? I go through every new finding and I point out what was done at trial that did not respect due process. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. I agree with your comment. Yeah, Ive noticed a lot of people thing Jim Jagger is Fred Hugi. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. It is not, as the blogger frequently refers to, evidence. Fair question. It means you dont orphan the kids. It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole? And Steven would hunt her down anyway and charm his way back into her life. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? This is to avoid the conflict of interest that we read about above. It was one of the most disturbing stories I've watched. But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. No forensic evidence pointing to her, just conjecture based on how mothers should act. Mainly because the courts have to give every chance possible and all the services necessary to the bio family to try to preserve the relationship. I feel sorry for Diane too. It should have been investigated further. It surely was not due process. And being the mother of three only served to propel Diane in a more manic state. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. Ginsburg didn't think women should get to do what men did because she believed they would do the job better; she wanted equality for its own liberating sake. A fair trial is a right in this country, not a judicial suggestion. Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. Her persona allowed them to build this ironclad narrative when in fact, it was far from definite. Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. Andthe DA adopted her other two children. You make an interesting observation when you say: Anyways. Im not arguing the facts of the trial, and Im not about to. Doing it without witnesses when she was so sick is underhanded. Hey Jace, I was not going to post your insulting comments but I decided to let the last sentence fly so that I could answer it. This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. No matter how much Ive read, or how many of her constant at the time interviews I watch on YouTube, the things that come from her brain to her mouth never cease to amaze me. I bet the records are and always have been sealed regarding this aspect of the case. Lockdowns in . We make them president. Any thoughts on that? Many troubling elements of the case were discovered after the trial, but there was enough during the proceedings to be asking questions. In fact, if appropriate family is found, termination is not required. You are not the only one who thinks she is guilty and I know that getting their man at all cost is a popular mantra, but I disagree. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. In the moment of who shot youmy momhave a hard time believing that could be coached. You simply are a rude individual looking for a reaction. At the time Diane had told police that a stranger attempted to carjack her and shot the kids, and that's what her ex husband was told, too. Their marriage was described as tumultuous, with Downs allegedly disappearing for long periods of time with her children. The media keeps talking about several escapes, but there was only one. These are no facts its partial truths and conjecture. But I am realistic. Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now No gun, no blood or gun residue on her and if she shot them, these elements should have been there. The lack of balance and objectivity. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? The GSR? She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. Im sure nothing I write will change that. She unwillingly followed the cops in spite of being in pain and not wanting to leave the premises. They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. As an adoptive parent I cant even imagine trying to justify to my daughter our adopting her if we had in any way been a part of the case to terminate her from her bio family. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath.. The blog I read is all about the improprieties and flat out misconduct in Dianes trial (and the way Ann Rule profited off of it with fiction). I might not have put enough information to your liking, but I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. Spending 35 years incarcerated with time in isolation and often as a target is not going to improve mental health. All smoke and mirrors to fit a certain scenario. Also, aside from her original mental state, which may or may not excuse her aloofness (doesnt prove shes a killer by the way! It will not make me popular, but I dont mind. This happened in 1983, not 1893. Strangely enough, a woman who was seen for 8 months by a psychologist and declared to be in shock and suffering from a mood disorder, would now be assessed by the State hired psychiatrist to confirm the label Hugi conveniently made up during trial. Apparently drug mafia wanted to punish her for messing her nose in forbidden places, not because she was getting any real business in that but simply because she had one of the poorest judgements a person can have. They checked her shoes and they were clean. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). Do you remember a couple of days after that, December I am a strong believer that pregnancy can do serious harm to some women. Thanks for the link. On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. I am just curious. In reality,the whole caseturned out to beno small sacrifice for Diane Downs, but it was a huge victory for the State, the media anda very lucrative deal for theQueen of crime fiction herself; Ann Rule. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? And according to the law, she should have been released by now, independently of what she says or not. In the spring of 1986, Christie confided to school mates that shed been coerced to lie in court, to implicate her mother (Appendix 1-2). The price of celebrity for her was losing her freedom and her children for life. The Cinemaholic reports that Steve was often known for being immature and irresponsible, something that didn't see their rekindled relationship get off to the best start. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. Diane said that Cheryl was laying down on the front floorboard with the passenger seat pushed back. But saying that you are not very smart is useless. Diane didnt ask Knick to leave his wife. I think you may be right that she is likely still locked up due to her diagnoses of antisocial, histrionic and narcissistic, but again, no one would care and this crappy diagnosis wouldnt have been bought and paid for if not the high profile nature of the case. Christie NEVER said she didnt know who did it she was just unwilling or afraid to tell on her mother. A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir. The role of Diane Downs was played by none other than Farrah Fawcett and her lover was played by Ryan ONeal who had been Farrahs love interest in real life. Thats the point. I almost felt bad for her.that being she seemed so lost in her lies..she just hangs in limbo now. He needed, now more than ever, to vacate the area asap. Nothing came from Diane herself. The cops admitted that they never investigated the tips about a bushy haired stranger. Her case was too public and they are afraid of public backlash. Everything matters in a trial and investigation. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. After completing his education and their short-lived high school romance, Steve Downs would move on to join the navy. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. Feb. 4, 2022 -- An analysis from a trio of economists says pandemic lockdowns during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic did little to reduce the number of COVID-related deaths. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession: inflammatory She always seems to have not a very close contact with reality. I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. Pros. So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis. They should have had ongoing contact and been placed with family as soon as they were out of the hospital and they never should have been interviewed without their own attorney (Guardian ad Litem) present. I can make out I will ask you to take a good look at the people in your life. How.. they attacked him. She followed all the correct Parole Boardprocedures for two years with no hearing. What a terrible injustice. In fact, I am surprised that people are not flabbergasted by the way this case was handled and tried and that what bothers them most is that I try to discuss it in a blog and dare defending this woman. No way. Her daughter told the media she watched Small Sacrifices several times. Hysteria. After asking her to have an affair, he kept vacillating between his wife and her. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. She was not in the car when her children were shot. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. Not speculative? Child Protective Services takes confidentiality to the extreme (warranted in most cases). Christie could not speak but after some rehab, she said repeatedly that she did not know who shot them. But showing no remorse is part of claiming her innocence and part of the vicious circle of parole hearings. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. (I know that wasnt brought up this time but it usually is.) (that one is more of a question). The blogger continues, I am not one sided. Ive been trying to decipher her handwriting on the couple of pages she wrote to her daughter (misquoted on here somewhere is a highlighted If you love your little boy, youll take him far away from here- why is this being taken as a threat and not a warning?!). This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. It sounds pretty fair to me. 1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture. Danny said several times that a bad man shot them and it was written in the nurses notes, but never that his mother shot him. Yet in their mind, she was already guilty. But you sure did comment like a true asshole, huh? The american system often reminds me of what Charles Dickens talked about in his novels. I do not declare her innocent. Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. So if we started judging people harshly for their flaws, it would never end. In her book Heart Full of Lies, Rule took so many liberties with the facts that Liysa Northon sued her. I do not have to put any statement advising people that I am about to present the neglected aspects of the trial. When Dianes youngest daughter, who was adopted after being taken away by the state, found out who her real mother was and decided to reach out to her, the media and Rule grabbed hold of her to promote their agenda. In fact, with her continuing to deny committing the crime or expressing remorse, she may never get out. What?? What I believe doesnt matter at all. What was the rationale behind this? 2 years in foster care waiting to be legally free for adoption is not that uncommon even today. For the children to be legally free for adoption a termination of parental rights had to occur. You say she made more of a fuss about her arm than about the injuries her children sustained. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it. It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. ..maybe it was lack of Internet and cellies *shrug)..years later, my Co worker at burger King (I was 16)told me about the small sacrifices movie she watched the night before. Gosh Donna, you really dont have a clue. . Needless to say, you seem to have a problem with the American justice systemnot each individual case. I am quite bothered by what happened in that courtroom and in the media. When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. Anyways. The fact that the DA adopted the children, since it was after the trial, is more of a gray area. My website is in the process of being migrated so it has no photos. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. Can you imagine your little boy growing up to beat to death (with his bare hands and boots) Is she referring to her ex husband? I especially loved reading everyones comments. Also on old footage of the trial, as there was no cameras aloud, the drawing of Christie Downs from court artist also complies with the testimony given in the book, as far as her pain and crying. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. This website supports restorative justice, so of course it leans towards sentences that are not life without parole if it is supported by a warden and mental health specialists. She repeated it years later at school. Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. I am glad you read it anyway and I appreciate your comment. For example, the abhorrent decision regarding Keli Lane: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.whimn.com.au/talk/news/why-i-think-keli-lane-should-not-be-in-prison/news-story/069a09c79589645c48de5bfa91e4ca0f. As for Diane, give me a break. When they assess the conduct of an inmate, what counts is mostly how she behaves inside through the years and if she shows violent tendencies. Foster Carers says either Australia or England to me. 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